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;FF[4]GM[1]
AP[DGS:1.20.5]
PC[Dragon Go Server: https://www.dragongoserver.net/]
DT[2005-04-19,2005-07-29]
GN[sensei-egen-119292-20050729]
SO[https://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=119292]
PB[EugeneKuznetsof (egen)]
PW[The Go Teacher (sensei)]
BR[12k]
WR[21k]
XM[174]
GC[Game ID: 119292
Game Type: GO (1:1)
Rated: N

White Start Rating: 21k (0%) - Elo rating 0
Black Start Rating: 15k (-42%) - Elo rating 558
White End Rating: 21k (0%) - Elo rating 0
Black End Rating: 12k (-13%) - Elo rating 886]
OT[90 days + 1 day per move and 10 extra periods]
RU[Japanese]
SZ[19]
KM[0.5]
HA[3]
RE[B+Resign]
AB[dp][pp][pd]PL[W]
;MN[1]W[dd]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Have fun.

Natural for white to take the only open corner in a handicap, although approach moves might be played to try to confuse things.]
;B[fc]
;W[cf]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

This sort of approach move is fairly standard and I think  the best.

black has 4 high stones so is in a good position to follow a strategy of developing a moyo and lots of influence.

White will have to invade (and being stronger should expect to manage that in a handicap game)

Black's strategy is to chase away the invasion while making territory - not to try to kill the invader unless  its clearly possible.]
;B[db]
;W[nc]
C[(Bildstein:)
Please talk about the game as often as possible. By this I mean at every move. It really makes the whole teaching game more effective. You can also put comment tags around your comments (like I have done here) so that your comments will go into the sgf file for later reference.

Because this is a 3-stone handicap game (why is it a three stone hadicap game? Normally we play even games), I will try to create fighting, etc.

My strategy will be to try to reduce your territories everywhere, and hopefully create enough territory of our own to be able to win. This is an important strategy in handicap games (as White) - focus on fighting and reduction rather than solidifying territory.]
;B[kc]
C[I know that I should play even game, yet for some reason chose 3 handicap stones. It is maximum handicap that I play in my games.
As I understand, black should attack, not only keep his terriotory safe, so I was choosing from hasami m17 and iken-tobi  q14. I decided on big hasami L17, since it strengthens my left group.]
;W[qc]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Yes, playing a pincer is often a good strategy

Black might also have played Q17 to pretect the corner. Yes white get to jump to L17 but the natural black move of J17 both settles thr black group and put the 2 white stones under pressure. Black gets more out of this exchange than white.

I suspect black will play Q17 and with the joseki in the corner white will get territory and the O17 stone may have some aji.]
;B[pc]
C[This coner better Q17 that R16]
;W[qd]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

yes this is the correct side to block]
;B[qe]
;W[re]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

R15 is not joseki, it should be Q15

The cutting point at Q15 could become a big danger later on.]
;B[pe]
C[yes. it was bad move
What better now Q15 or Q14]
;W[pb]
C[(Bildstein:)
r14, but q14 was better than q14. You're in a decent position. r15 may not be joseki, but I don't think we're really punishing it too hard.]
;B[ob]
;W[qb]
C[(Bildstein:)
So far so good.]
;B[oc]
;W[qf]
C[(Bildstein:)
This is very similar to how the joseki would normally turn out, excet you have effectively already pushed at r15 and we have effectively answered at s15. This exchange (r15 for s15) would normally be considered slightly bad for Black, because it removes the potential of a later Black placement at s15 (which would need to be backed up by an earlier play at r12).]
;B[og]
C[Now i saw it! :)
Right side now for W
What my way now better?
Simari or take side K4 or R10
or continue from my right-up group?]
;W[qh]
C[(Bildstein:)
You must wait until you see our move before you start thinking about where is the right place to play.

There will not be much territory for either player on the right side now, because r12 is low.

I suggest probably either try to make more of a large territory at the top (f15 perhaps?) or take something like k4.]
;B[fe]
C[I think, that this F15e is now better. 
It attacks W group and builds territory Black. 
I assume, that W will answer C10]
;W[cc]
C[(Bildstein:)
I think White should make himself safe in the corner. We will reduce your moyo at the top as soon as we get a chance with something like k16.]
;B[fg]
C[Now at my  choice to protect the territory or to borrow greater a point on the side. I choose protection, as points on the side is miai. Mine the course protects F13 or it is necessary to play reliably in L15 (L14)]
;W[jp]
C[(wegobad:) I think you ask if the K15 area is now safe from White.  I think it depends...  There seems to be enough room and aji still in O17 for White to live in there (with a tactical sacrifice or two), but I think there are bigger plays elsewhere for the moment.  So, as the borders between our territories get more settled, it may become impossible for White to invade successfully.

Normally this stone would be at K3 where it can more easily make a base, but I feel like playing high because I think there will be a big center fight in the future, and then K4 may be more useful than K3.]
;B[cj]
C[now i choosing between two opportunities
- attack white stone at K4 from K2 or take a big point at one side, possibly D10
I choose C10, case in this way i can get solid points and attack white group at same moment]
;W[fq]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

I think K2 would be a bad move, it is too low.

C10 is much better. It does not quite threaten to kill the white group becasie its a bit far from it but it does develop onthe side.

I would have played H3 to attack the white stone and developed from there.]
;B[dn]
C[I played D6 but i thinking about E2 and M3/
I think, in first time I must to safe my coner]
;W[nq]
C[(wegobad:) I think D6 was good; now the west side looks pretty strong.  E2 would be too low, and would prompt us to make our group safe, which is what we want to do anyway.  M3 would have been good, threatening the White group and at the same time, developing some area for Black.]
;B[ql]
C[I think that attacking at m3 is too early for black, since white can take the corner and the right side after this. This is possible if black want to build influence, yet this is too complex for me, as I can really use influence well.

This is why I would like to play on the right side. My usual options would be q6 and r6, yet in this case this doesn't seem to be a good idea, since there is a threat of white's r9. This is why I play a "big" move, though it has some weak points - q6, r6.]
;W[pn]
C[(wegobad:)  M3 was less tempting (though still good) for Black once we got O3 on the board.  Q6 would have been good, though since R12 is low R6 might be even better.  The R8 you actually played was ok, though not the simplest; it tempts us to start complicated fighting at one of the weak points you acknowledge.  Ultimately, I think the simple response at R6 would have been your best bet; the "bigger" move is a little too tenuous.  You might have been able to play R7 though; I don't know enough of the josekis to be sure.

I looked at P8 (too soft), R3 (nice if Black answers R4, but didn't like it if Black answers with Q3), Q2 (seems too soft), R6 (seems committed to the corner, forcing Black into the center; maybe not bad).  I like Q6 best because it starts to tie the south to the northeast, and it threatens the southeast corner.]
;B[np]
C[I have moves Q2, R6, P6, P8
If I shall protect a corner, White can receive good density in the center, therefore choice such move O4. 
Now my previous move R8 seen languid and certainly would be now better for playing R7 :)]
;W[mp]
C[marc
i think o4 is good. You lean on the strongest stone (between o3 and q6). The result is that both o3 and q4 will be strengthened. Then you will be in a position to attack q6. So the aim of o4 is to attack q6 rather than directly protect the corner, because if white wanted, he still could go to r3.
Q2 would not be good, because you could be enclosed in the corner.
R6 would be interesting, but you have to be ready for a cross-cut, and the result could be external influence rather than corner territory.
P6 is the contrary to what you have played : strengthening q6 to attack o3, but your move is better.
Maybe p5 was possible too : a kind of middle way between the 2 options.]
;B[no]
C[Now I build power to attack Q6
I not protect R3 now, because W close me in coner and play in center]
;W[pl]
C[(wegobad:) Tough for me to decide, this or P8, P7, R7, or P3?  I think it will be good for White to pressure R8, not sure about direct contact like this; but Q6 is weak, and this seems like a way to strengthen it.]
;B[pk]
C[I must attack weak W group
I like Q11, it build my moyo, but not attack Q8 and W can play tennuki.

Now W can play R9 or O8 or R3]
;W[ol]
C[(Bildstein:)
You're right, you must keep up the pressure. White is trying to complicate things, but only because it is a three stone handicap game. Your move is good. We extend upwards because we need some space, and the move played is nice and solid.

It's still a little early for White to jump into the corner, but we will keep an eye open for a chance.]
;B[qj]
C[I understand.
The attack is the best for save and built my territory.
Now I would like to make  H4, F5, for capture of the center. 
But in this case, I shall be protected.
(What better R10 or R9?)
Whether I should make a moves for protection of a corner now? 
It was S4, S5 or Q2. 
I not like to do it now, but if W take R3 I lost my base for my group Q4.]
;W[oq]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

The idea of H4 is OK to make a moyo. However with outside strength you could invade deeper - which would leave white with many weak groups.

R10 still leaves those stones under attack and makes no territory, so I think black should have played P3. This would defend the corner and put pressure on white's stones on the bottom.]
;B[pq]
C[Yes, I need base for attack W
but maybe Q3 keep my coner, it not well like R3]
;W[mq]
C[(Bildstein:)
Probably a good move, but you have White p4 to worry about. There doesn't seem to be any efficient way to protect it.]
;B[eq]
C[Today very difficult day for a choice moves is better!:) I have a lot of good moves, but one should to a choice only. I see H4, E10, F10, Q5, P10... 
I have made E3, I hope White, should, to play F3, and I continue H4-H5. 
For a White attack my corner now not well way.]
;W[fp]
C[(wegobad:) E3 leads to F4, which makes K4 the proper distance.  Now H3/H4 are harder for you.  You probably should have played H3/H4 instead of E3.

But, E3 does mostly claim the southwest corner for Black.]
;B[ho]
C[I see, F4 really better for K4.
It was my mistakes.
Now I try build big moyo F6 or H7
White  play K6 or ...
I think, H4 bad for W]
;W[qm]
C[(wegobad:) We still can enter the moyo from two directions, and I think there's a little aji in O17 yet.  So it seems to me most important to keep R9 separated from Q4.]
;B[ro]
C[I have 2 weak groups - R8 and Q4, and I can't save both of them.

I am trying to save my coner, but W can cut my 2 stones O5. If W plays S8, then B R9 will be a bad move, and I will try to build big moyo in center, O10 or O11]
;W[pf]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

S5 is big defending the corner. The two stones at O4 are small at the moment so not worth worrying about. The R8 gropu is under attack but not likely to die immediately.

The moyo is a good strategy that white needs to address.]
;B[of]
C[My strategi now - to build moyu.
W can play L13 or any in 13 line.
I think, Line 14 or up is bad for W.
But what way to save my territory?
L15 (15) or up (L12 or L11).
May be i play tobi L11, because W group P8 is weak now.]
;W[nb]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

One thing about the joseki in the top right - white has some forcing moves.

White threatens to connect at P19. But if black blocks white might force with O15 and then use this to run away.]
;B[nd]
C[After W O15 , my moyo shutdown!
Now I try to block W in coner
After W P19 I can play N16 or M17]
;W[oa]
C[(wegobad:) So we nibble the moyo a little, and we later can reduce a little more the P15 atari will come in handy as a forcing move.

What I really want to do is try to capture the R8-R10-Q9 stones... but I'm not sure it's possible.]
;B[md]
C[I must stabilizite my group.
It better that play P11,
If I can't to rescure my Q9 group, i try use it like adzi for build B wall.
to attack whis group W must play S7 or P11]
;W[rl]
C[(Bildstein:)
Yes, I think it's fairly important for White to attack. I'm attacking from this side because it helps to strenghtn White's group, which is important.

But you should be able to run away fairly easily.]
;B[mj]
C[I think - not need to rescure weak my group
About N10.
Maybe better L11 or L8, but it so hard for me and i try to save Q9 if W play tennuki]
;W[ld]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

N10 makes a big centre white white has to do something about. L11 and L8 would not be as good.]
;B[lc]
;W[lf]
C[(wegobad:) My first thought is to play P4 or R9 or E10, but maybe this will let us start to build a group in the center.]
;B[jf]
C[no plan for rescure my moyo]
;W[kj]
C[(Bildstein:)
Those two White stones at the top are so weak, I have to pull out. But aren't you worried about White getting the right side?]
;B[hq]
C[First for attack M14 or stop L10 I want to attack weak W group, after that I can play N8 or L7]
;W[cq]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

The 3-3 invasion is a standard option with black's shape of E3 / D4. Although usually white would be stronger outside.]
;B[cp]
;W[er]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

The corect response. White will get a little eye space but is not alive yet.]
;B[cr]
C[I try to close side in sente]
;W[dq]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

The usual sequence with this shape is black D3.  White responds D2 and white keeps the corner in gote with C2

The reason is that this white move is atari and so the white group will probably be alive. 

This is strategically more important than thinking about territory. If the white group is not alive black can make big gains by chasing it into the middle. In this position black can probably kill the white group.

Sometimes keeping a group weak is worth giving up some potebntial territory]
;B[bq]
C[I think, now take territory better for me]
;W[dr]
C[(wegobad:) I'm not sure White's completely alive yet.  But probably we are.  I assume you'll play B2; I think it's sente for you.]
;B[br]
C[I take points.
After Whaite's move E4 , i must to save H5
But i want to attack L10 ,but now way for it :)]
;W[fn]
C[(wegobad:) I was undecided, this F6 or safe G2?  I think it's good to put pressure on the H3-H5 stones, even though they can probably live or run away.]
;B[hm]
C[As for me, better - run away.
Atfer than I can attack L10 or play G2 and build base]
;W[fl]
C[(wegobad:) Too many jumps can end up weak, but for now this looks ok.

I keep wanting to play P4, but I think it's too soon.]
;B[gl]
;W[gr]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

A contact move like G8 is usually a defensive move. Are you defending your H5 group or attacking the white F4 group?

Black is doing OK in terms of centre strength. I'd have considered  L6 with an eye on attacking white on the bottom - this attacks a number of other white groups as well as helping the black group to safety.]
;B[ep]
C[Now I can cut F5 or F7, and it sente. 
W must play H2 or F1, isn't?
After with B can play N8 or any .]
;W[gn]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

E4 was a good move - taking away black's eye.

White's defense may be threatening to push through at H6. Better than F1 or H2 - neither of which are enough to live.]
;B[hn]
;W[ir]
C[(wegobad:) I hate to play passively like this, but it seems prudent to link up the two groups, not that it looks like we can't capture the interlopers.]
;B[ll]
C[W (F4) now not weak, maybe i can cut F8 but it not big move now
Now I attack P8 and L10, and connect with H7]
;W[oi]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

M8 is a good move. The white stones in the middle are under a lot of pressure.

It is easier for White to live on the side but that is not enough. Trying to connect to the center is important.

Black has a number of groups that are not connected yet. White must try to split them up and attack or kill them.]
;B[ni]
;W[jl]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

White is not really worried about capturing the side group (at least not yet) The urgent thing is to survive in the centre.

So the important thing for black is not saving those stones but stopping any connection.

O11 is a good move in terms of trying to safe the stones. (although it does still leave ways of killing them)

I think N12 would have been  better in terms of the centre. N12 was a better place to split white apart in the centre.

Now white is trying to cut off the black group at H7. Not to kill it! The attack will allow white more moves in sente to build a position in the centre.]
;B[kn]
;W[km]
C[\[john 5yu\]

L 6 is the right style of attack]
;B[ln]
C[I see M7 ,but after  M6 White can cut and alive.]
;W[jn]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

M6 was good.

White has to take risks in handicap.

This move cuts off the H6 stones and links the centre stones to safety.

It leaves the right side weak but white has no cohice. There are threats that could help white live there - but it is not a sure thing.]
;B[jo]
C[I see only one move to continue
If i can't cut White group, i lose center.]
;W[ko]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Yes this will cut but it leaves a diffferent 

Sometimes it is best to accept half the prize - for example black L12 keeps a lot of territory on the top and still leaves K5 for later.]
;B[io]
;W[lm]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

J5 was forced. Now its a fight to see if white can connect a different way :)]
;B[mm]
C[I think W can connect.
But I can attack P8 latter]
;W[mn]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

You are correct, P8 can be attacked.

Notice that black is being cut into many small groups. These are also easier to attack.]
;B[lo]
;W[kp]
C[\[john 5kyu\]
Remember P5 is a weak point in black's shape. White can push through at P4 and then cut

Forgetting this will mean there is a danger that white will be able to connect the centre, P8 and the bottom by capturing some stones.]
;B[mo]
;W[nn]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Yes connecting is correct. The fight will be intresting but anything else would be too passive.]
;B[nm]
;W[on]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

The fight will still be interesting :)

Not that black has decided to save those stones white's move is absolute sente.

This gives white time to attack some stones in the middle]
;B[kl]
C[I calc , I can't to kill W L7,
after this sente i must play P4 and after W N8, B O8]
;W[jm]
C[(wegobad:) I agree, except Q5 might be a better way of connecting than P4.]
;B[po]
C[Sure, Q5 better.
Now we are start intresting fight :)]
;W[ij]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

OK Q5 was forced, and it is the better option :)

Think of white's move as trading-off alternative options.

For example 

a) does white have opportunities in the bottom right corner? Yes but white is being patient and leaving those for the moment.

b) can white connect the K7 and P8? Yes but it might build up black strength in the centre as well - cutting off the whole top side

So white attacks the black group BUT also ensures the centre is connected to K7.

This leaves black a choice. Black can stop white connecting to the right side, but risks losing the H7 group. If black saves the H7 group white will connect to the right side (hint : white N9)]
;B[gk]
C[I can't to cut and kill W weak group K8
My way for win now than: If all my weak group will alive, I can to win have more points in top and in coner.
Now W group must build eyes and B can cut M14]
;W[mk]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

I think G9 is a good decision.

The side and top are quite big territories so white still has a lot of work to do.]
;B[lh]
C[I see only M9 move to save M9.
After N8 black group N7 is dead.
And W can attack this weak group and continue with M14,
because I play M12, and I spend 3 my weak group.]
;W[hg]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

The idea behind M12 is good.

It leaves a wekness at L13 so I think L12 would be better. This white move is hoping to take advantage of a white move at L13 later.]
;B[hi]
;W[jh]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Black can cut off the H13 stone OR the M14 stone but not both.

Sometimes a simple defensive move is best, it does not cause new problems. J12 or H15 were a little better.]
;B[kg]
;W[gh]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

L13 is good.]
;B[ih]
C[I m not see way for cut all white group,
now i try to do it, but not sure i can it.
And my group H7 very weak and can cut and dead.]
;W[hj]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Yes you correctly see the danger.

F9 would have been simpler I think]
;B[ig]
C[I continue to cut W group]
;W[gi]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

I think black is taking a risk. the H7 group is very unsafe.

cutting the white group is not very big in comparison]
;B[gj]
C[sure, H7 very weak
but if i can't cut W group, i lose more points]
;W[ei]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

The white group has many ways to run.

Cutting is aggressive but if it does not work everything will go badly wrong.]
;B[ej]
C[I sure, I play very agressive :)
maybe better way play more solid ,and cut only M14 and maybe i can take center
Now i must ro rescure all my group]
;W[eh]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Both white and black groups are looking safer now.
Neither are completely safe yet.]
;B[ek]
;W[ch]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Black's bamboo join connection is good style.]
;B[oj]
C[maybe I can to sve and this group.]
;W[ml]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Good move, sente.]
;B[nk]
C[I have some sente move, and now want to did it
but maybe its not well, because W still solid.]
;W[nl]
C[(NannyOgg) Yes, that was sente for sure. I think it's an ok move, because it also helps you to solidify the connection between your stones there. and you get stronger to attack P11 if you want to.]
;B[hf]
C[Black still have more weak group.]
;W[dm]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Yes H14 was a necessary move it defends a large territory on the top. 

but there are still weak areas.]
;B[em]
;W[en]
C[(wegobad:) This is some tricky fighting.  Not sure if this is best; E8 also seems promising for White.  I can't really read it, but it seems like we should be able to gain something in the corner or on the side.]
;B[el]
C[After W D5 and etd I still connect with H5 and C4
It was my goal]
;W[gp]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

:) Good thinking]
;B[iq]
C[I play "bambo"
but i not like it, in ko-fight it will bad for me, but now i attack W territory]
;W[jr]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

J2 is a good move.]
;B[pr]
C[I think now time for esse moves]
;W[or]
;B[bi]
;W[do]
C[(wegobad:) I don't like leaving B12, but I feel like we need to take sente.]
;B[cn]
;W[cb]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

White has nothing in the botom left so there is no point is protecting the D5 stone, better to take sente]
;B[bg]
C[Sure, now i try to take all my points :)]
;W[bf]
C[marc
i think it is good.
try to keep sente out of this sequence.]
;B[ph]
;W[qr]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Q12 is a nice move.

I've no idea whether white's attack is sound but its worth trying.  

black has lots of points to making sure no disaster happens is a priority.]
;B[qs]
;W[rs]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

I think q1 would have been a better defense.

R1 gives white this forcing atari - getting an extra stone in place]
;B[ps]
;W[rq]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Now white is hoping to make a nakade inside the corneer territory]
;B[sr]
C[I see, i did big mistake and now i can lose my coner.
Maybe i can win ko-fight, but i lose points in any place.]
;W[rr]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

I'm not certain that white wins this so its worth keeping on trying.]
;B[rp]
;W[qo]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Good. A nice defence by black. The group might live.]
;B[rn]
;W[qn]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

S6 is a good move.]
;B[qp]
;W[qi]
C[(wegobad:) We seem to be behind by 20 or 25, and I don't see an obvious way to catch up.]
;B[pi]
;W[eb]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Black is looking good at present.]
;B[fb]
;W[dc]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

F18 is sensible solid defence.]
;B[mb]
C[I think now better close my territory from "monkey jump"
it more than any place]
;W[gf]
;B[ff]
;W[gg]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

Correct, F14 was the best defence. Black is ahead.]
;B[he]
;W[fa]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

 I think you could have played G15. H15 is a bit cautious, but when ahead that is reasonable.

However it does leave bad aji at G16]
;B[ec]
C[sure, now my H15 is not well]
;W[da]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

e17 is a good reply, protecting the weakness.

White might aim for a ko after black G19]
;B[gb]
C[Black now win game, and I want to play solid move, and not play ko-fight.]
;W[rj]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

You are right, black will win.

White would normally resign now. I am not sure there is more to teach in this game. you have played well.]
;B[dh]
;W[dg]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

There is the "download sgf" option at the bottom of the page. This will give you all the comments made during the game.

I am going on holiday soon. It might be quicker to mail a rquest for a review to the sensei account so somebody else can do it.]
;B[di]
;W[eg]
;B[fm]
C[\[john 5kyu\]

well played. You used the handicap stones efectively]
;W[]
C[Result: B+Resign]
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